I good with that. As long as we know cheetara's real feelings.

That is great!!!:D

The wait is what is killing us.

What is up with that.

Why such a long wait?

IF they kiss I'll be releaved

I am hoping that lion-os mother was the SoO guardian. The SoO guardian and wielder are married to make the connection to the SoO strong.

Me too!!

I can't see how it can't be L/C, they have a great story line going.

You know that would have been a really hot kiss. They were really into each other.

I don't know, I checked with my contact at CN, he said no real info yet on when EP 14 will air.

Why did they have to go on break with ep 13? A T/C fan must have been behind it!

Originally WB created 26 season1 episodes, those 26 episodes pratically finished already, but CN had other plans they wanted 13 Episodes per season. thus this long break. The original Season 1 Finale is EP 26 not EP 13. So storywise still Ep26 the real season1 finale. That's why they dare to take a gamble with Ep 13 with the Thunderdads, because it was not the season 1 finale.

Pretty risky on their parts. For their sakes, the next couple of episodes are going to have to turn everything around.

Yeah I think they know of the Thunderdads roaring power. Because Ep13 was supposed to be just one of those regular episodes, with no breaks between Ep 13 to Ep 14.

Yeah, at least they should give us the kissing scene first:D, hooking up officially later it's fine.

But alas they have to push it down for later episode(hopefully), darn it!

They'd better not take too long, the ratings won't be pretty.

Yeah, CN should just stop at EP 12 instead of EP 13, if they're going to do this chopping. A lot of my friends including my brother are Lion-O/Cheetara fans and they already lost interest of the show.

I guess they wanted to go out on a dramatic cliffhanger, but they hadn't anticipated the backlash.

question?...say cheetara does really have deep feelings for liono and she pulls another 180 from tygra to liono, what does that make her character?

Considering the ending of EP 13 was real and taking into account all facts and data:

CASE A (If Cheetara's dialogue was not meant to trick the viewers):

In all of my scenario, I make the triangle an open triangle (it can be done too in a close triangle only harder, like the scenario I posted back in the pages of this thread if T/C is running), to facilitate Cheetara's character. In order for Cheetara to properly be with Lion-O without being OOC, is Tygra should except it properly first, slowly by seeing Lion-O/Cheetara are compatible with each other. The key here is in what situation will the writers put those 3 in. Either way the easiest route without making any of them OOC is by making it an open triangle first, only this time the brothers are already maturing and starting to feud less about these things. Making Lion-O mortally wounded will help Tygra realize it faster, as he almost looses his brother again for the third time because of this triangle/jealosy.

From Cheetara's side she will be in a situation where she cannot choose between the brothers deep feelings or not for Lion-O (or/both) Tygra. But Cheetara has a lot more chemistry(Ep1-12) to Lion-O then Tygra, this will make Tygra realize it, as his mind is logical when it is right. Slowly he will see this and maybe after around EP 26 or more(could be faster) he will finally say it to Cheetara that if she chooses Lion-O, he will be okay with it. This will flip the ever changing triangle sclale to Lion-O again and she will not hurt Tygra, she already past the highest good point, so she will be with Lion-O properly.

CASE B (If Cheetara's dialogue was meant to trick the viewers):

then that won't be a big problem as Cheetara already chooses Lion-O and explain it to Tygra after the thank you kiss, Tygra will except it with resentment of course. But Lion-O did not know this. But after he learned about this, things will go better for Lion-O and Cheetara, and no OOC for either characters. since Tygra already okay with it, Cheetara already past the highest good point, in the ever changing triangle scale.

*Either way, open or close triangle cheetara has more chemistry/interaction duty or no to Lion-O, so all angle will point to the Lion-O/Cheetara, the question is just how long will the road be, that depends on the situations the writers will put those 3 in.
Should the writers make Pumyra attracted to Tygra and vice versa or Lion-O or both Lion-O and Tygra, this will make it faster for Cheetara/Lion-O to happen properly.

There's definately a risk of her not looking very good, which is probably why so many of us have come up with theories,such as the T/C kiss being an illusion, Mumm-ra being disguised as Cheetara, Mumm-ra mind controlling her, cloning her etc.

Darn it! if I am one of the writers of this show, I"ll just fix this already and continue on with the story. Already analyzing too deep to Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra Triangle and characters, using illusion theory or no.:D

The fastest way is just to remove Tygra from the equation,maybe he will go MIA and return after Lion-O/Cheetara have royal kittens.:D

If you look at the facts and data, it points to Lion-O/Cheetara as their master plan. If CN hadn't cut this to 13 EP per season with this long break and go as originally planned which is full 26 episodes Season 1, then this dramatic cliffhanger won't be that much of a problem to the viewers, should Lion-O/Cheetara is indeed their master plan. So CN is definetly the main culprit of the backlash here.

Agreed.

You're rigth.

That would be to soon. It is like the writers are building it so the viewers want to see them kiss more and more.

Depends how you interpet the kiss to tygra. The kiss to me was a thank you for what he did (flower).

She didn't say I chose you or I will make my feelings more clear for you.

If she said I should have made my feelings more clear, wouldn't she just kiss him then. That would have left no gray areas.

B sounds logical.

It was to open ended. There were so many ways to make cheetara say it is you tygra, but they didn't.

I chose a long time ago is also key. What did she chose?

Agreed.

Only way I can see it not being rushed or bad writing is she was thanking him and trying to stop him from betraying lion-o.

That is why I hope they can close it with L/C after trails 2. Then they can make out in E26.

I want to get back to the story.

100% correct.

All the clues point to L/C is their master plan.

if it is the case that cheetara chose liono, then the producers are just playing games with the viewers mind. im so anxious to find out what happens on the next episode, and if the ending is real or not. depending on the way liono's character will be handled after that dreadful episode, will pretty much determine whether we all tune in for the rest of the series. this is why i hate having romance in most action/adventure cartoons. i wish they would have followed the same path Avatar TLA took in developing the main hero/heroine romance. im tired of being distracted from the main story by the love triangle in this show. i think it really has hurt the character development of liono and cheetara.

I know, this triangle really eating us all up. Personally I don't think the writer will "damage" Lion-O and Cheetara character any further, as It's clear that Cheetara as a character in this show is written to be more compatible with Lion-O, all of my writer friends saw that. This is just too add drama or to make Lion-O really realizes her feelings for Cheetara, and grow up as a character.

Cheetara SoO Connection Theories(derived from almost everyone’s views and opinions on this thread):

If the actual truth is she choose the one that is worthy of holding the sword of omen not specifically Lion-O or Tygra thus her vague dialogue at the end of EP13 (so not the sword itself that chooses its worthy wielder but it has to be both the sword and its guardian. Maybe Jaga put a spell on Cheetara long ago to be connected with the SoO and has forseen this connection, feelings and duty to Lion-O like darthktempus and others said and/or This can also be tied to Cheetara's original clan, maybe she's a direct descendant from the race that act as the guardian of the sword the first time.) . If she is connected that deep with the sword (as seen in Ep6 where her eyes were glowing when Lion-O uses the full power of the sword and when she says to Lion-O I know the reason why the sword has choosen him). :D This way Tygra or Lion-O cannot do anything about it, because its destiny/fate that she chooses Lion-O and has to be with him for the sword to work properly as L08e16o and others said, because of his heart and the worthy wilder of the sword of omens despite she has equal feelings for both Lion-O and Tygra. plus she will not be OOC since she already past the highest good point per her voice actress said, and will clear the triangle mess in a good way while tieing it with the core plot. (After thinking more on L08e16o SoO theory)

In Claudus's case, he has been using the SoO for so long, that eventough the guardian of the sword was no more he can still use it's full power. (the guardian before cheetara could be Lion-O's mom as L08e16o SoO theory said)

In Leo' case the sword may not been given a spell to "choose" who is
worthy yet, as it was made only for Leo and in an "emergency" situation.

Taking into account all facts + data, This will also not kill either development, character development, scenes, including the dreaded EP13 ending scene. And since basically Cheetara chooses neither Lion-O or Tygra, fans cannot do anything to except the fact that SoO rules everything. And I think the writers been trapping us with this choosing thing. This complies with Jelenic comments "we didn't want to drag things out for the sake of dragging them out. At the same time, we wanted to give each moment it's proper due as part of building that sense of epic". Illusion or no, I think the reason we got the Tygra/Cheetara ending in EP13 I was to provide closure to that flower thing,("....to give each moment it's proper due") and that comment also applies to the Lion-O/Cheetara moments from Ep1-Ep12 that they haven't given us a proper due (that proper due cannot be just friends or brother/sister thing as it will conflict heavily with all of his and the rest of the crew's comments and facts + data , and not a proper due if that's the case.). Beside to piss most of us off, And they wanted to make an unorthodox solution to the triangle for the next couple episodes, since Cheetara will put duty above feelings in this case.

Hey, does that mean that the love of Cheetara's life is the sword of omens? Will Tygra try to dispose of the sword to remove the competition? lol.:p

:D Yes I think that is it. So it just happens she has feelings for both Tygra and Lion-O. It adds up. her "true love" is actually the SoO. That's why she only said you right I did choose years ago, but did not say Lion-O or Tygra. That's part of the reason the crew cannot answer when asked about cheetara, because she has feelings for both brothers but duty is always her main goal. The writers really pulling tricks on us I think.

So looks like Panthro and Cheetara have some similarity:

Panthro/thundertank and Cheetara/SwordOfOmens:D

So with cheetara will be: Lion-O/Cheetara/SoO.:D

I am doing this little Lion-O/Cheetara fans survey(I'll post it here to get more results):

Q1: What made you interested with this Lion-O/Cheetara Pairing?
Q2: How do you see them as a couple?

Thanks:)

Q1: it's funny at first i was not interested in any romance they were gonna have on this new series. then on the first episode i noticed the chemistry between liono and cheetara. even though i wasn't still on board with this ship as they say, i approved their interaction. as i kept tuning in for episodes each week, i kept noticing they writers wanted to take their interaction with each other to another level. it was something i didn't expect to be of importance to the main story arc. the reason i usually don't like romance in an action/adventure cartoon is because at least 7 times out of 10, the development for the romance is rushed or doesn't make much sense to the viewers. however, in this new series i was proven wrong. they pace the were going with liono and cheetara was to me the right pace. they writers weren't forcing it on us nor did they rush it. they were slowly giving us hints and little meaningful interactions between the two. the next thing i knew, i was rooting for those two even if i didn't want to have romance in this series.

Q2: they reason i see them as a couple is because, it fits or it works for the story and the direction they were taking it. you have your young prince whose kingdom was destroyed, father slain, his people slaughtered by an ancient prophesied evil. he is supposed to somehow unite all the species on third earth against this great evil. then we have cheetara the cleric or should i say the special bodyguard/adviser to the king. her duty is to serve her king as she was trained to do so. in the circumstances they are in, especially liono, he has the biggest responsibility of all compared to his fellow cats. the weight of the world is on his shoulders and from what we know of the liono as of now, he is not ready or does he know much of what to do. this tend to result in him not believing in himself and doubting whether he has the ability to carry out this heavy burden. cheetara's role was very critical to the king in the sense that she had to make sure her king had the support and advice he needed to help him in his quest. to me this was a good recipe for great romance for this genre however cliche it may have seemed. i was thinking to myself that this really can work and i had hoped nothing would come between this development. before this series started, i never even knew that there was going to be a new thundercats series. so then i started researching to find more info on this new series and i did find some. there was one in particular that bothered me and it was an interview with one of the producers and he/she had mentioned something about there being a love triangle between liono/cheetara/tygra. in most love triangles involving the main protagonist in animes or cartoon series, they tend to work against the main character. then came episode 13 and my worst nightmare had came true at the end of the episode. it was as if i was blindsided by a horse and the worst part of the tygra/cheetara thing is that they writers used just two episodes to establish some kind of romance between the two. the look on liono's face was the same look i had while watching that dreadful scene. (guys sorry for ranting once again)

Q1: Wasn't interested in the pairing but thats the way the story seemed to progress so i was like umm okay Q:2 I don't see them really being a couple. They may interact but as a couple its too early in the story to tell

If he does and the eye awakens while he is trying to he'll be having lunch with captain tygus for sure

You know out of 150 emails I sent about this little survey, I got 50 replies so far and 30 out of those 50 replies were either angry and/or disappointed like your answer and will only continue watching the show if they fix this. while the rest 20 were thinking that the writers were pulling some kind of con to surprise us and they were still hoping for Lion-O/Cheetara to happen. I'll see the general consensus after I got more of this little survey.

I definately want to see the results of your survey, then we can see how many more people realize who the REAL couple is on this show.

One of those 50 replies came from a WB staff that I know, she is not working with Tcats project but loves the show and she is pissed off.:D

interesting...i really hope most viewers/fans of the series are displeased by the inconsistency of some of the character development. i just hope season two would tie up the loose end or fix it.

Darn still waiting replies from emails, this survey could take longer then expected. I am sending 50 more across message boards (excluding TCL of course :D)

so you're taking a survey and purposefully excluding people that will disagree with you? sounds like a fair and impartial survey.

Check the survey title above Lion-O/Cheetara fans survey:D before commenting.

Forgot to add one more on Jelenic: "we didn't want to drag things out for the sake of dragging them out. At the same time, we wanted to give each moment it's proper due as part of building that sense of epic"

That means all the Lion-O/Cheetara moments will not be wasted as he also said "......we wanted to give each moment it's proper due". and that proper due cannot be just friends or brother/sister thing as it will conflict heavily with all of his and the rest of the crew's comments and facts + data , and not a proper due if that's the case.

just to throw in a little discussion so everything here isn't as one sided. ;)

Q1: What made you interested with this Lion-O/Cheetara Pairing?
At this point in time I'm not really interested in them as a couple.

Q2: How do you see them as a couple?
I think Lion-O still has a lot more growing up to do before he would be compatible with someone like Cheetara. Although I agree the Writers messed up quite a bit by not having more Cheetara/Tygra scenes (the choice did seem to come out of nowhere almost), I believe Cheetara has way more in common with Tygra than Lion-O. For just one example (so I don't make this post a book lol) we know Lion-O was always the one who was kinda a dreamer and a slacker growing up and Tygra was the workaholic. His devotion to what was expected of a prince and Cheetara's devotion to the Clerics run parallel. So they're very like-minded people with both having a strong sense of duty IMO.

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